"Is there any reason why you could not accompany him?" asked Baba.
Phyllis thought of the problem of lack of money, but then dismissed it and said, "No."
Baba assured her, "You should accompany Lyn on the trip."
The others went out, and Phyllis was the first to have a private interview. Only Eruch and Francis were present, Eruch on Baba's right and Francis on his left. Phyllis came and sat on the floor by Baba's right. The interview began:
Baba asked, "Why have you come to India?"
She answered, "Baba, I was crying like a baby for you to come to my room, and when you didn't, like a child I have come out of bed and down the corridor to enter your room."
Baba repeated his question, "Why have you come to India?"
Not looking up, Phyllis replied, "Baba, I want to get rid of myself. I know it is wrong to give oneself to another person. It's a terrible burden on another to show how much you love that person. Yet, I can give myself to you, Baba. It would not hurt you to accept me."
Baba asked her to repeat what she had just said. Phyllis said, "I want to get rid of myself. I want to serve. I do serve and I serve well, but my own needs get in the way. I am unfulfilled and this brings a limit to my capacity to serve. There is no way that I can satisfy my needs and they are killing me. So, I want to get rid of myself."
Baba gestured, "When Baba will be within you, there will be no need to come to India."
Phyllis then mentioned something which had been on her mind. She had come to meet Baba because she loved him personally, but being born Jewish, a faith which worships God as formless and not as man, she felt unable to accept him as her Master. She said, "Baba, I do not know if I can follow you. I am Jewish, and you know that the Jews have had many false Messiahs."
Eruch interpreted Baba's reply, "Phyllis, Baba wants you to know that Baba is God."
She replied, "I always knew that God is silent."