“”Now on the other side of the mind, the 'inner side,' there is shorelessness. You cannot pinpoint anything on any direction of it. No universes, no galaxies! Then, what is there? Who is there in your sound sleep? Nobody! Only the IS-ness is there. It all means that the goal is to be fully awake in sound sleep. Which is impossible without my grace.
Vinoo Kher asked Baba, "What is mind?"
“”"My health is not at all well," Baba said, "but I am enjoying this discussion."
Now to explain what is mind, hours and hours would not be sufficient. It would be good if you think more deeply on what I have already explained. However, there is such a thing called the mind. It is different from matter.
In your sound sleep, if at all there is anything, it is God. Every thought of yours releases its imprint on the mind. There are impressions which bring you out of sleep. Thus, you daily awaken and go back to sleep. Ages and ages have passed by, but mind, energy and matter have remained, although as 'nothing.' I will explain one day what mind is.
Baba asked Vinoo Kher whether he knew Persian and received a negative reply.
Baba continued:
“”Hafiz, the God-realized Persian poet, says in one of his couplets:
The status of Love is so sublime
That it can never be reached by mind!
And you, with the help of mind, try to reach That which is beyond mind! This is the difficulty.
The majzoob-e-kamil [of the seventh plane of consciousness] has no mind. He is totally merged and absorbed in God. With your physical eyes, you see him eating, drinking, talking and walking. But the majzoob is above mind. He is not conscious of mind, energy and body. When you sleep, you snore. But you are not aware of it. So, too, with the actions of a majzoob; he appears to eat and drink to those around him.
Baba then explained one final point: "Well, what is mind? Mind is the 'junction' between the inner and the outer, between Reality and its shadow (illusion). If mind is annihilated, you experience the infinity of the Reality!"
Baba put this question to Vinoo, "You see things in this room; is it not so? But then who is seeing?"
