Later, in speaking about time, Baba said, "Five billion years in illusion is merely a moment in eternity!"
Baba continued: "The journey between the third and fourth plane is very difficult. At this stage, the connection between the seeker and the Perfect Master is so delicate that it may be said to have been linked with only a hair! Thus, neither of them can afford to create a strain or too great a resistance lest the connection snap."
He also said, "In the life of a seeker, a time comes when even the longing for union with God must be given up."
Explaining about creation, Baba stated:
The Nothing came out of the Everything. From this Nothing came out this so-called "everything" called creation. The Nothing appears to be everything. Thus, when one crosses the sixth plane to Reality, one has to necessarily pass through a complete emptiness — void, a nothing. The experience of this emptiness cannot be described. Sadgurus and majzoobs have all passed through this experience. It is of a very short duration, for the pilgrim at once passes therefrom to the fana-fillah state of "I-Am-God" and experiences himself as God the Everything.
For the Perfect Master who has regained normal, gross consciousness, this Nothing becomes his Universal Body. From this Universal Body, everything in creation is projected and absorbed, chewed and spat out incessantly.
After describing the weaknesses of the six previous Avatar once more, Baba went on to the topic of occult powers — tantric vidya : "Anyone can achieve powers of the occult by intense meditation, concentration and other ways, but they are absolutely different from the powers of the planes; those are divine powers. These can be used in three ways: good, bad or maliciously, and in a fun way as was done by Mohamed Chhel, who was a magician."
Baba then related a humorous incident from Mohamed Chhel's life: "He used to use his powers to stop trains and produce tickets. Once he threw a child out of a moving train, and amidst the parents' crying fits and hysterics, he calmly produced the child, safe and sound."
Baba concluded, "These powers, though wasted in fun, are harmless enough and so the man keeps on playing his tricks. But malicious use is very, very bad."