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Chapter 37: East-West Gathering

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In short, the most difficult thing is to begin the real journey. It is easy to succeed in outward journeys in space, to go from continent to continent, from planet to planet, as compared to the inward journey. But this chart shows that very few persons arrive at the seventh station of fana , and come to the end of the first journey and become God. Very, very few embark on the second journey, and end it in baqa and abide in God.
One rare one ends the third journey in Qutubiyat [a Perfect Master] and lives God's life. The fourth journey is the passing-away as God. The Perfect Master as God drops his physical, subtle and mental vehicles, while retaining the infinite individuality. Christ, as Jesus, is as he was and ever will be, as God, because he retains his infinite individuality in God and as God.
Are you able to follow something of it? If not, there is no harm; don't worry about it. Jesus Christ knew that it was not possible for men to love God; therefore, Jesus said: "Come unto me, follow me," and that is all that is needed for you all.
In Avataric periods, one does not necessarily have to make these inward journeys by stages. If you have the grace of the Avatar, he just takes you from where you are to where you should be — where God wants you to be. There is no need for "trains or planes" when he is here!
East-West Gathering, November, 1962
Eruch then read the discourse on "The Four Journeys" (published in The Everything and The Nothing ), explaining some of the points Baba had just given spontaneously. Baba continued:
The Creation-point is a finite point; out of this finite point the whole of the infinite creation is issuing forth. It is a continuous process; there is no end to it. Out of a Speck in the Infinity, called the Creation-point, has sprung forth this whole creation in stages. This world of ours is nothing but a most finite speck in the Speck. Although to you it appears to be the world, for me it is nothing, not even a tiny speck.
Eruch continued reading the discourse on the many universes, visible and invisible, and many planets, of which a large number (18,000) are inhabited by human beings.
Baba stated:
Scientists will gradually come to know what I have been saying for many years and also today. It is not possible to see all the universes and the worlds. They are not visible even with all the modern means. Nor will it be possible for man to reach them or contact them; yet, the scientists will come to know about them.
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