Liz added, "Every time I ever met Baba, I always had the feeling that he has given me enough to assimilate and chew on for a whole lifetime. Even if I never saw him again, I felt satisfied. He was always completely satisfying for that moment. But then, after a year or two, when everything filters in, one began to long to see him again!"
The following day, Liz returned with the Kashoutys, and she brought along her older sister Virginia (Ginny) Gloor, 29, and Ginny's nine-year-old daughter Dedee. Ginny had come into the city that day to see that an injured robin she had rescued be treated. As long as she was there, she reasoned, she might as well go meet Meher Baba. She had the bird in a cage when she came to the Delmonico. Adele Wolkin saw it and remarked, "Oh, Baba loves animals ... Take it in!" Baba was delighted to see it.
After Ginny came out (convinced that "Baba knew everything!"), Liz went in and sat on the divan next to him. He began patting her hand and smiling. Liz felt self-conscious as Baba wasn't asking or telling her anything. She felt uncomfortable and kept looking up at Eruch, who was interpreting. After a few moments she stammered, "Er, I was here yesterday. [Baba smiled and patted her hand.] ... My name is Elizabeth Sacalis." Baba patted her hand some more and kept smiling. Suddenly, Liz leaned forward and kissed Baba on the cheek. "What am I doing kissing this complete stranger?" she chastised herself. "I've only just met this man!" But as she kissed him, she realized: "Baba was all the people I had loved all of my life."
Baba gave her a grape and sent her out.
The interviews continued throughout the afternoon of 20 July 1956. At 4:00 P.M., Baba called Ella Winterfeldt in to ask how many were left.
Ella had dreamt of Baba, and he told her, "Ella my dear, all the world is an illusion; it is a dream and only God is real."
Baba called all those waiting in the other room — over 100 — and when they had assembled, he asked Ivy to repeat what he had just told Ella.
She, however, did not have her tape recorder running, so she began from memory, but not too exactly apparently, for Baba interrupted her, gesturing, "You speak as if you were in a dream!"
After the laughter that followed, Baba himself narrated: