Baba then cited two examples among his own followers who had had experiences.
He told Kirpal Singh, "They now have their own followers and groups, and are initiating newcomers. Although they still love me, they have their own independent way of life."
Baba emphasized, "Such irresponsible practices based on petty experiences are harmful both to the initiator and the initiated."
Kirpal Singh interposed, "But if the experiences are utilized for the progress of the aspirants?"
"What I am pointing out is not meant for you, but I do want you to realize how petty experiences can trap aspirants and lead them astray."
Baba signaled for a copy of Sobs & Throbs, Ramjoo's book describing the Prem Ashram boys' experiences. The moment Baba stood up, Kirpal Singh also rose and stood near Baba. Baba embraced him once again and asked him to sit down. He remained standing, however, as a mark of respect. Baba opened the book and showed Kirpal Singh the photographs of the boys who had had inner experiences.
Kirpal Singh innocently remarked, "At that tender age, it is not difficult for boys to have such experiences."
Baba expressed surprise, "Tender age?" Smiling he said, "Age, whether tender or ripe, has nothing to do with experience gathered by the Self, which knows no limitations of age."
Baba then drew Kirpal Singh toward him and, taking his hand, led him to Kaikobad's room, telling him, "You are now going to hear something from an old man about inner experiences."
Baba sat on Kaikobad's bed and asked Kirpal Singh to sit nearby.
"Kaikobad," Baba explained to Kirpal Singh, "is my old lover and has had many inner experiences. Sometimes he tells me about them, but I do not understand. Perhaps you will understand what Kaikobad has to say."
Baba permitted Kaikobad to relate all that he had experienced, requesting Kirpal Singh to hear him patiently, since Kaikobad would speak in a mixture of Hindi and Gujarati, because he did not know Hindi well.
Leaving Kaikobad and Kirpal Singh alone, Baba left the room and joined the three devotees who had accompanied Kirpal Singh to have Baba's darshan. Being in seclusion, Baba would not permit them to bow down to him, but he patted each in turn and sat down on the steps of Judge's Bungalow, while each was introduced to him.
Meanwhile, Kirpal Singh told Kaikobad, "I am very happy to see you. I have heard that you have had many experiences. Would you please tell me what experiences you have had?"