Baba disclosed to them: "I have heard so much about you from Elinorina [Elizabeth and Norina], and also from your own heart's voice. I feel very happy. Very, very happy indeed. All you did for me, through love, I understand, I know.
"We have nothing to offer you but ourselves," Fred said. "We have surrendered to you, but we have not lived up to it as we should."
"I feel so touched," Baba replied. "What more can one give than wholehearted love? And that you have for me.
"So all your faults are to me just trifles. In the fire of love, all dirt is automatically consumed. What we have to do is be as absolutely honest with God as He is with us. He looks after everything and everyone with divine honesty, and we must love Him with heartfelt honesty. In loving Him there can be no compromise. And as you love me, be sure God will help you love Him, and know me in Him."
Baba explained to the Winterfeldts how he had changed the Sufi order, and commented:
Norina is my jewel. Mrs. Duce is another gem. Elizabeth is unique.
Now, what I wish you to understand is that I am not only concerned with Sufism, but also with Vedanta, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism. So, whether you follow Sufism or not, it all eventually comes to me. But, if you are interested in Sufism, do continue to have interest, follow it, but on the basis of my plan for it.
I do not think you need any "ism," and as a matter of fact, Mrs. Duce, Brabazon and other leaders in India do not need Sufism, because they have me. But, since I want different men to work differently for me for these five aspects of reality, I now, personally and directly, entrust the Sufi work to Mrs. Duce and Brabazon. So this work of Sufism will not be for themselves, but for me.
For example, I might one day find you suitable to do my Christian mystical work and entrust the work to you. That does not mean you need it; but for my work I order you to do it, and you have to do it. I might ask you to help this work of Sufism; I might ask you to help in my work of any other aspect. Are you prepared to do it?
The Winterfeldts said, "Yes."