Ramjoo replied, "It seems that I am part man and part beast. But I do not understand fully what the natural love of angels is. What do you mean by that?"
Baba spelled out, "It is like this: A mother loves her child; she does not have to cultivate her love. This feeling of hers just happens and is natural, but it is not love for God. So also, the love of the angels encompasses many virtues, but it is not love for God. It is inborn in them — innate — and that is why it is called natural love."
Baba then spoke about freedom from desires:
As long as a person is not free from desires, he is not ready for emancipation. Desires, both good and bad, are binding. Good desires bind a person with golden chains, and bad with iron ones. Why do you feel restless? Because you have a thousand thoughts of wife, children, and the world. One should be free of wishes and desires, but they are there. What creates them? What desires these desires, and what thinks these thoughts? The mind!
As long as desires persist, there is no freedom. One who is completely desireless becomes the King of Kings! But people have no idea how to become desireless. Freedom from desires is real life. One has to go beyond desires to enjoy freedom. This freedom can never be imagined; it is beyond the mind. The mind creates desires and as long as the mind continues and does not die, a person cannot extricate himself and enjoy freedom.
The soul is like a bird. When all desires vanish, the bird's eyes open. It sees God and becomes one with Him. I am that God whom the bird sees when its eyes open. But desires blind the bird and it cannot see me, though I am standing right in front of it.
Continuing, Baba said:
Bliss is something quite distinct from happiness and misery. Happiness and misery are gained through [experiences of] the mind. Bliss is something totally different; after the death of the mind, what the soul gains through God is bliss. Happiness and misery are due to the mind, while bliss exists on account of the soul. Bliss cannot be described. It cannot be grasped. It is to be experienced.
"But why is there always suffering and not happiness?" one of the mandali asked.